Colloquial Mongolian: The Complete Course for Beginners (Colloquial Series (Multimedia))
by Jan Bat-Ireedui
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Manufacturer: Routledge
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Binding: Audio CD
Dewey Decimal Number: 401
EAN: 9780415431644
ISBN: 0415431646
Label: Routledge
Publication Date: 2007-08-15
Publisher: Routledge
Studio: Routledge
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Summary: Collogquial Mongolian
Comment: Really quite useless without a book to follow along as you play the tapes.....like the Berlitz folks do. Also, quite advanced. Would be much more useful if it focused on "survival mongolian".....like, "Where is the toilet?"....what are the words for, "right", "left", etc.
Customer Rating:
Summary: Comprehensive Mongolian language study
Comment: If you're interested in really learning the language, including the details of grammar and pronounciation, this is a great book. It comes with audio CDs and cassettes, and the book has practice questions. It will teach you to read, write and pronounce Mongolian. The only caveat is that it's written by a British man, so you have to pronounce the Mongolian words using the British-English accents when transliterated, athough not a big deal.
Customer Rating:
Summary: Not for the complete beginner.
Comment: This book is generally okay. I reccomend that you purchase the tape/CD aswell (I didn't) so you can listen to the dialouges and hear the Mongolian language. The only problem is that it jumps into using the cryillic alphabet straight away, which makes it a bit hard, at first anyway. It also seems to get straight into complex grammer, which although neccasery and great to have, is pretty full on for a book that claims to be for 'complete beginners'. If you want something quick and useful, the lonely planet phrase book is great for beginners because it spells the words out and has a great section on grammer.
Customer Rating:
Summary: Not for the casual traveller
Comment: If you really want to learn mongolian get yourself a tutor. I am a fluent speaker of Turkish, and not too shabby at Uzbek, and yet was totally unprepared for spoken Mongolian. I got the 'Learn Mongolian' CD by TalkNow!, and even with lots of listening still couldn't really begin to make out the sounds. If you're going to visit the country, any travel agent there can help you find a tutor for something like $3 or $5 an hour. I had someone whip my pronunciation into pretty good shape in the 10 days I was there, now I feel like I can go back to the book and master the grammar.
The dialogues in this book are helpful, and the content is wonderful if you are going to be spending any time in Ulaanbaatar. In fact I used the map in the book to show my cab drivers where I wanted to go. Yes the language is a little formal, but it's always easier to go from formal to casual rather than back again. And the locals will be tickled. The grammar is tough, but you have to decide whether you actually want to learn the language, or if you just want a phrase book. Really, this is not a phrase book kind of language.
Customer Rating:
Summary: demanding and remarkably informative
Comment: This is a highly commendable effort, especially given its status as just about the only readily available Mongolian textbook out there. If you're curious about what's going on in this enormously fascinating yet unfortunately neglected language, it probably wouldn't hurt to know that it's going to take a lot of determination and far more than a mild interest in Mongolian to get much of anything from this extremely demanding and surprisingly thorough text.
While Colloquial Mongolian is based around a ton of pretty practical dialogues, the text may come off as being heavily focused on grammar, especially early on. This is probably a necessary evil as Mongolian grammar isn't the kind of thing that's just going to make sense after glancing at a couple of passages, but still a lot of people are going to be turned off by being expected to puzzle through sections on `iterative verbal nouns' and `imperfective converbs' before you learn how to say `goodbye.' Probably the best bet is to simply ignore the terminology and just concentrate on the examples given. Point is there's no real need to get hung up on some of these explanations and a good move might be to remind yourself that Mongolians don't care when their suffixes are reflexive, in the same way that anyone able to read these reviews probably knows the difference between the words I, me, we and us without necessarily being aware of the `correct' terms for their cases or person. Like most of the offerings from the colloquial series, this book is content with fabricating conversations then tacking on vocabulary lists, leaving the responsibility for reviewing all this information up to the reader, who has to look elsewhere for reinforcement. Since you're gonna need all the help you can get, the grammar sections are good practice even if sometimes the Mongolian may be easier to understand than the English, but hey, that's kinda a good thing.
The dialogues are situational and begin with fun little idioms. They cover basic greetings, shopping, hotels, ordering food and so on, then move quickly into travel itineraries and visits to herdsmen, where we get hefty doses of cultural and historical information. The good news is that translations are provided for just about every sentence in the book so when you find yourself frustrated by the pacing (we're on to modernized excerpts from the Secret History of the Mongols by chapter 10), or just need a break, sitting back with the English versions of the dialogues makes for some very interesting reading.
As other reviewers have noted the description of Mongolian pronunciation here leaves a lot to be desired, but you're not going to have to work through too many conversations before you realize that coughing up a satisfactorily complete rundown of Cyrillic as forced upon just about the least Slavic language imaginable would be tall order, and it's probably best to just work at it the hard way while trying to juggle all the exceptions and fleeting or hidden letters as they come. With such a user-unfriendly alphabet the tapes are absolutely imperative, and they include all the dialogues (about 4 a chapter), but, unaccountably, none of the vocabulary lists. It's a glaring and unfortunate omission because recording the new words would really help with memorization and with familiarizing yourself with the script, plus there's enough extraneous English banter on the tapes that could have been cut out to make more room. Also it should be noted that readers interested in the older vertical script will be disappointed, as the book only provides a standard letter chart and two versions of the same uniquely confusing paragraph, which most likely won't be enough to lead to any kind of literacy.
While not really a criticism, the biggest thing working against this book is that it's probably a little too ambitious. The text is super dense and gives you more than you would need for a visit to Mongolia, and yet isn't quite accessible enough to be 100% satisfactory as a self-study aid. This would, though, be a great textbook for class use if you're lucky enough to be in that position. It's still an impressive work and as packed with information, linguistic and otherwise, as these things get.
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Editorial Reviews:
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Customer Rating:
Summary: Collogquial Mongolian
Comment: Really quite useless without a book to follow along as you play the tapes.....like the Berlitz folks do. Also, quite advanced. Would be much more useful if it focused on "survival mongolian".....like, "Where is the toilet?"....what are the words for, "right", "left", etc.
Customer Rating:
Summary: Comprehensive Mongolian language study
Comment: If you're interested in really learning the language, including the details of grammar and pronounciation, this is a great book. It comes with audio CDs and cassettes, and the book has practice questions. It will teach you to read, write and pronounce Mongolian. The only caveat is that it's written by a British man, so you have to pronounce the Mongolian words using the British-English accents when transliterated, athough not a big deal.
Customer Rating:
Summary: Not for the complete beginner.
Comment: This book is generally okay. I reccomend that you purchase the tape/CD aswell (I didn't) so you can listen to the dialouges and hear the Mongolian language. The only problem is that it jumps into using the cryillic alphabet straight away, which makes it a bit hard, at first anyway. It also seems to get straight into complex grammer, which although neccasery and great to have, is pretty full on for a book that claims to be for 'complete beginners'. If you want something quick and useful, the lonely planet phrase book is great for beginners because it spells the words out and has a great section on grammer.
Customer Rating:
Summary: Not for the casual traveller
Comment: If you really want to learn mongolian get yourself a tutor. I am a fluent speaker of Turkish, and not too shabby at Uzbek, and yet was totally unprepared for spoken Mongolian. I got the 'Learn Mongolian' CD by TalkNow!, and even with lots of listening still couldn't really begin to make out the sounds. If you're going to visit the country, any travel agent there can help you find a tutor for something like $3 or $5 an hour. I had someone whip my pronunciation into pretty good shape in the 10 days I was there, now I feel like I can go back to the book and master the grammar.
The dialogues in this book are helpful, and the content is wonderful if you are going to be spending any time in Ulaanbaatar. In fact I used the map in the book to show my cab drivers where I wanted to go. Yes the language is a little formal, but it's always easier to go from formal to casual rather than back again. And the locals will be tickled. The grammar is tough, but you have to decide whether you actually want to learn the language, or if you just want a phrase book. Really, this is not a phrase book kind of language.
Customer Rating:
Summary: demanding and remarkably informative
Comment: This is a highly commendable effort, especially given its status as just about the only readily available Mongolian textbook out there. If you're curious about what's going on in this enormously fascinating yet unfortunately neglected language, it probably wouldn't hurt to know that it's going to take a lot of determination and far more than a mild interest in Mongolian to get much of anything from this extremely demanding and surprisingly thorough text.
While Colloquial Mongolian is based around a ton of pretty practical dialogues, the text may come off as being heavily focused on grammar, especially early on. This is probably a necessary evil as Mongolian grammar isn't the kind of thing that's just going to make sense after glancing at a couple of passages, but still a lot of people are going to be turned off by being expected to puzzle through sections on `iterative verbal nouns' and `imperfective converbs' before you learn how to say `goodbye.' Probably the best bet is to simply ignore the terminology and just concentrate on the examples given. Point is there's no real need to get hung up on some of these explanations and a good move might be to remind yourself that Mongolians don't care when their suffixes are reflexive, in the same way that anyone able to read these reviews probably knows the difference between the words I, me, we and us without necessarily being aware of the `correct' terms for their cases or person. Like most of the offerings from the colloquial series, this book is content with fabricating conversations then tacking on vocabulary lists, leaving the responsibility for reviewing all this information up to the reader, who has to look elsewhere for reinforcement. Since you're gonna need all the help you can get, the grammar sections are good practice even if sometimes the Mongolian may be easier to understand than the English, but hey, that's kinda a good thing.
The dialogues are situational and begin with fun little idioms. They cover basic greetings, shopping, hotels, ordering food and so on, then move quickly into travel itineraries and visits to herdsmen, where we get hefty doses of cultural and historical information. The good news is that translations are provided for just about every sentence in the book so when you find yourself frustrated by the pacing (we're on to modernized excerpts from the Secret History of the Mongols by chapter 10), or just need a break, sitting back with the English versions of the dialogues makes for some very interesting reading.
As other reviewers have noted the description of Mongolian pronunciation here leaves a lot to be desired, but you're not going to have to work through too many conversations before you realize that coughing up a satisfactorily complete rundown of Cyrillic as forced upon just about the least Slavic language imaginable would be tall order, and it's probably best to just work at it the hard way while trying to juggle all the exceptions and fleeting or hidden letters as they come. With such a user-unfriendly alphabet the tapes are absolutely imperative, and they include all the dialogues (about 4 a chapter), but, unaccountably, none of the vocabulary lists. It's a glaring and unfortunate omission because recording the new words would really help with memorization and with familiarizing yourself with the script, plus there's enough extraneous English banter on the tapes that could have been cut out to make more room. Also it should be noted that readers interested in the older vertical script will be disappointed, as the book only provides a standard letter chart and two versions of the same uniquely confusing paragraph, which most likely won't be enough to lead to any kind of literacy.
While not really a criticism, the biggest thing working against this book is that it's probably a little too ambitious. The text is super dense and gives you more than you would need for a visit to Mongolia, and yet isn't quite accessible enough to be 100% satisfactory as a self-study aid. This would, though, be a great textbook for class use if you're lucky enough to be in that position. It's still an impressive work and as packed with information, linguistic and otherwise, as these things get.
"Colloquial Mongolian" is easy to use and completely up to date! Written by experience teachers of the language, "Colloquial Mongolian" offers a step-by-step approach to written and spoken Mongolian. No previous knowledge of the language is required. The features include: guide to reading and writing the alphabet; lively dialogues in true-to-life situations; concise grammar explanations; a variety of exercises with full answer key, grammar summary, suffix index and two-way glossary; and, explanatory notes on Mongolian culture and customs. By the end of this rewarding course you will be able to communicate confidently and effectively in Mongolian in a broad range of everyday situations. This pack contains 120 of audio material, recorded on CDs. Recorded by native speakers, they will help you perfect your pronunciation, listening and speaking skills.
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